MADONNA BADGER –
INTERVIEWED BY OPRAH
on 26 October 2014 – Live global simulcast.
on 26 October 2014 – Live global simulcast.
“On Christmas Day 2011, a fire took the lives of Madonna
Badger's parents and three daughters. Oprah speaks with Madonna about finding
strength in the wake of the unthinkable and forging a spiritual connection to
her children even after their tragic deaths”. Own network
Interview – None verbatim:
“I think about you and your family and how do you make it, that
is to wake up after the tragedy - As she has learned to walk after the tragedy.
She had a Ted talk where
the topic was - resilience to young girls.
One girl was unable to get out of bed and had gone to therapists and
this was the best advise she got and got out of bed. “I got get up X3
and I stand up coz I cannot think out my way out of that but just had to get
out of it.”
She kept asking herself why didn’t she die and she felt at
time, why didn’t she die with her family.
She wanted to die so many times in order to be with them. Doctors would listen to her and start
crying. They were afraid she would kill
herself. Bus Madonna says we don’t have
the choice of when we die.
Oprah - can you take
us back to that morning when you woke up and smelled the smoke as neighbours
watched you crying “my children are there - as her house burned out. She was taken off the roof by ladders and
thought her family would also come out alive.
Her dad was head of fire department and his job was to train fire
fighters and if anyone knew what to do was her father.
Grief
She let other people love her was the supper hero’s journey
for her recovery
Show break chat with other spiritual teachers:
How do you keep inner peace with problems of ebola in our
lives. Deepak = there is more danger on
the highway than these statistics. If you obsess over it you might attract it. Go to gratitude and be thankful for all you
have. I nyza – God didn’t bring
me this far to fail me. Williamson: -
One person was calm and the other disturbured and the other asked how can you be
so calm, she said am at work, and asked
again - how will you behave when under attack and she said Hopefully WITH DIGNITY, LET ME BEHAVE WITH DIGNITY AND NOT
PANIC ABOUT SOME THING I CANOT CHANGE, TO GO WITH GRACE AND LET GO ANYTHING OFF
AYTHING I cant do anything about.
Thre is what can you control and what you can’t control do not worry
about - use yr energy and celebrate this
day and spend you energy and do the right thing. Be wary of the fear mongers. There are lots of bad things happening in the
world and the new is focusing on it as they believe that have your attention on
it and don’t repeat it repeat it all over and all over be wary and discern what
is the truth as people want to sell you news.
Back to the interview:
How did she put herself together? “No one knew what to say to her. She went to her friend and she was send to a rehab facility. And neither did they know how to treat
her. Her friend went and got her from
the rehab It was as the Psychiatrist Univesity, that they explained her grief in
a way that made sense. He said ok you
are not crazy. HE SAID SHE IS REALLY SAD AND EXPLAINED
WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HER LIKE NO ONE ELSE HAD.
THE MOTHER CHILD BOND IS SO HUGE ITS LIKE NERVES CONNECTION - EMOTIONAL NERVES VIBRATIONAL CONNECTION. THERE IS ENERGETIC MAGNETIC CONNECTION WHICH GOT CUT IN
THREE PLACES. BETWEEN HER AND HER MUM. HER DAD AND WITH HER CHILDREN. SO AND
THE RAW NERVE WOULD GET LITTLE LAYER OF SKIN SLOWLY AND SHE COULD THEN GO ON
AND LIVE IN THE WORLD.
That is a profound description that changed everything and
gave her hope. When you feel like you
have been severed and have a loss you can’t explain to yourself. This is a nice
analogy, that she has lived and she now knows she has some more skin. The development comes from love shown by
people and by her letting other people
love her and take care of her and time certainly was a healing factor. You learn how to live better. She doesn’t nerve herself e.g drinking - those are the things that don’t help at all
and don’t allow the skin to heal, you have to feel the pain to heal. It’s about knowing
you cant out run your pain by doing
things is a maniac way – i.e alcoholism.
She wasn’t very religious, but she has a deep spiritual life and
believes there is a big power than her in every possible way. She questioned God a lot. At the funeral , the pastor said God is not a
punishing God. He doesn’t make people
sick, suffer etc, He is full of love and
she had had him lead her and teach her.
She just got out of
bed! When numbed and could not move after the tragedy. She was afraid of laying in bed due to where
her brain went. She could wake up in the
morning and go to the fire and ask herself why didn’t I do this and thant –
self blame, why didn’t I save them? It’s
part of the grieving moment. She is now trying
to live the best she can for them to be proud of her.
She thought she was bonkus and didn’t care much when she
heard her gone children and family talking to her. She cried intensely, level 10 cry when she
felt blood coming out of her eyes. She saw herself in the mirror and could see
the pain was so severe and though that woman is really in pain. Her whole family came back to her and told
her that there was nothing to be afraid of and love was the most important thing in life . They were talking to her in the minor and she
knew they were really talking to her.
Can she feel them now, yes she does.
She feels their super presence in
her body. When she is fully present in herself she
feels them more – her gone kids. But when bitter she cannot feel them.
There are people struggling with death of say a brother etc
and she tells them it is going to be ok.
Just hold on and you are going to be alright. She tells them just
find someone to love you. It will help you to heal.
Love shows up in so many ways. She wishes she knew when she was worried
about if her children would go to the right school, eat organic food, missed
being with them eg while working. She wished she knew how important being present with them was
important then before they left.
Yet all that doesn’t matter (organic food etc) i.e her prior worries. If they had moved to a small house they would
have been fine but she didn’t know.
Find how the fire began.
That is where the piece of healing is:
The fire was caused by fire ashes that were left in the fireplace
in the bedroom according to authorities.
She believes there is dignity in knowing the
cause. She didn’t believe this
though she is the one who said it was the ashes.
Her house was demolished in 24 hours after the fire. She believes something major electrical happened and she doesn’t know what
happened but someone knows and saw what
happened. And hopes they will come
forward and tell the truth. Five people
died, 3 children and two adults. She knows
that even if someone comes forward she knows that her family will never come
back but at least this will never happen to anyone else. She is just seeking to find out what is the truth as there is peace in the truth. As she doesn’t have
to like what she has to accept. She just have to accept it.
2nd break talk:
Where are the bad whispers found and how do you determine
between bad and good whispers:
When exalted you are in the presence of an angel and the bad
ones will appall (horrify) you. Good whispers bring
you hope and possibilities while the bad wishpers take you down. Good whispers take you to you conform zones
and the bad scares you and the good one talks to you about you and not anyone
else as it is you territory.
Forgiveness provides you power.
The undying power of love – Interview continues
After a year of the fire she started
dating and got married. What a gift to
us as - that means to stay open but she
could have chosen to shut down, get bitter, enraged at the world and turn it to
herself and the world but she stayed open.
She knew Bill since she was
19 and as a kind man.
Yoga teacher and he walks the talk.
He is her rock and she is blessed.
Was she scared to love again? After grieving . People don’t give themselves permission to
love but feel they have to grieve for the amount of time they have loved. The love
she got from her friends helped her not close her heart. So she doesn’t understand
the idea of shutting down to love coz otherwise she would not feel her gone children
again.
She doesn’t celebrate Christmas as she was the day the fire
happened on Christmas after unwrapping gifts.
She goes out. She twisted it out and tries to see her kids
where she is. One foot in front of the
other and takes the action and move. Work helps , to work as her parent were really hard
working people. Avon is her brand. She goes where the light
is. Where
is you light today? What gives you hope?. Certainly she doesn’t know, but it is that she
will see her children and be together and she will do everything she can to make them proud when she is here on
earth.
Love is forever.
She thinks we are all pieces of God. Everywhere she got wisdom from and readings from
the bible like “some people suffer and others more than others so that they can
tell others what to do when others suffer”.
We are all connected and come from one source and have the same energy. We are all spiritual
beings having a physical experience.
Hence we are all connected. We
are one universe together. She has
learned that loving her children and family and knowing them was to make her
the best loving person she can be.
She is living a life of love and knowing that this is the
most important force in the universe. When
we love each other, love is forever and hate doesn’t take you to the beautiful
places. Love doesn’t die, the love she
had for her kids is still here and now.
Oprah wishes her to find real happiness again.
Her connection to her kids becomes more every day. They come to her in many ways sometimes like
butterflies.
Song - Wing of her butterflies played– honoring her kids.
Thank you Madonna for teaching us that love never dies. –
Oprah”
www.oprah.com – shared live
simulcast - on Super Soul Sunday, 26 October 2014